Agenda and draft minutes

Scrutiny Advisory Board - Children and Young People
Tuesday, 29th May, 2018 10.30 am

Venue: Cumbria House, Carlisle

Contact: Holly English  Email:

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To receive any apologies for absence.



Apologies for absence were received from Mr W Clark, Mrs S Evans, Mrs EL Williamson and Mr C Proctor.




To report any changes to the membership of the Board.




Members are invited to disclose any disclosable pecuniary interest they have in any item on the agenda which comprises


1          Details of any employment, office, trade, profession or vocation carried on for            profit or gain.


2          Details of any payment or provision of any other financial benefit (other than from the authority) made or provided within the relevant period in respect of any expenses incurred by you in carrying out duties as a member, or towards your election expenses.  (This includes any payment or financial benefit from a trade union within the meaning of the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992.


3          Details of any contract which is made between you (or a body in which you have a beneficial interest) and the authority


(a)       Under which goods or services are to be provided or works are to be executed; and


            (b)       Which has not been fully discharged.


4          Details of any beneficial interest in land which is within the area of the authority. 


5          Details of any licence (alone or jointly with others) to occupy land in the area of the authority for a month or longer. 


6          Details of any tenancy where (to your knowledge)


            (a)       The landlord is the authority; and


            (b)       The tenant is a body in which you have a beneficial                                                         interest.


7          Details of any beneficial interest in securities of a body where


(a)       That body (to your knowledge) has a place of business or land in the    area of the authority; and



(b)       Either –


(i)      The total nominal value of the securities exceeds £25,000 or one            hundredth of the total issued share capital of that body; or


(ii)     If that share capital of that body is of more than one class, the total nominal value of the shares of any one class in which the relevant person has a beneficial interest exceeds one hundredth of the total issued share capital of that class.

In addition, you must also disclose other non-pecuniary interests set out in the Code of Conduct where these have not already been registered.




A “disclosable pecuniary interest” is an interest of a councillor or their partner (which means spouse or civil partner, a person with whom they are living as husband or wife, or a person with whom they are living as if they are civil partners).


There were no disclosable pecuniary interests declared at the meeting.




To consider whether the press and public should be excluded from the meeting during consideration of any item on the agenda.


RESOLVED           that the press and public be not excluded from the meeting during consideration of any items of business on the agenda.



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To confirm as a correct record the Minutes of the meeting of the Board held on 20 February 2018 (copy enclosed).



RESOLVED,            that the minutes of the previous meeting held on 20 February 2018 be confirmed as a correct record.


Matters Arising


Under Minute Number 28 – Minutes, Cllr E Mallinson advised that she had attended the Local Government Association’s Community Wellbeing Board and discussed the Governments Green Paper on Transforming Children and Young People’s Mental Health Services. An update would be provided at the next meeting of the Board.


Under the same item a Member asked for an update on the SEND self assessment. The Executive Director – People (Deputy Chief Executive) advised that the document was still a work in progress and Officers were awaiting some information from partners and therefore the document would be shared with the Board after going to CMT on 20 June 2018.


Under Minute Number 29 – Corporate Director Update on Ofsted Recommendations the Chair informed that the Notice of Direction from the Department of Education (DfE) had been removed and the Children’s Improvement Board had been disbanded. Nevertheless, members of the Board wanted to keep meeting and therefore would meet informally as and when required.


Under Minute Number 30 – Regional Adoption Agency, a Member asked for an update on progress. In response the Executive Director – People (Deputy Chief Executive) advised that he was due to meet with the governance board in the coming days and would be meeting with lead members from Councils over summer 2018. An update would be given at a future meeting.


Under Minute Number 31 – Child Sexual Exploitation Update, a request was made to consider a future item on the affect of home schooling and children missing from education.



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To consider a report from the Executive Director – People (Deputy Chief Executive) (copy enclosed).


Additional documents:


The Group considered a report by the Executive Director – People (Deputy Chief Executive) which provided an overview of the policy and priorities for apprenticeships and the current Council apprenticeship programme. The report also detailed the outcomes achieved during the first year of the Government’s levy and public sector targets, along with an indication of the County Councils 2018 apprenticeship recruitment programme.


The Board scrutinised the Council’s role as an apprenticeship provider, employer and partner; and considered the role of the LEP in addressing the challenges of apprenticeships. The Board also considered whether the approach to apprenticeships was effectively addressing the needs of children looked, care leavers, children with a disability and children in poverty.


Members received a presentation from Mr C Ivison from the Local Enterprise Partnership and Ms A Towers – Senior Manager for Learning and Skills. The presentation provided an insight into the apprenticeships programme in Cumbria, with Ms Towers speaking about the Council positon and Mr Ivison speaking about the County as a whole. The presentation provided detail under the following headings:-



Cumbria had a strong positive track record of apprenticeships with 170 providers currently in place and 6,000 apprentices starting each year. There were three times as many young people in Cumbria choosing apprenticeships than nationally, second only to Derbyshire. It was advocated that Cumbria had excellent links between skills providers and employers.


Current position

The Board were provided with statistics illustrating the current position of apprenticeships in Cumbria, these included the apprenticeship starts by year, apprenticeship starts by district and apprenticeship starts by sector.


A question was raised regarding past apprenticeships, prior to the current year.  It was explained that in the five years since records began over 250 apprentices were recruited, 93.5% of which, upon completion of their apprenticeship, moved directly into employment or higher education.


Skills Investment Plan

The LEP was working on innovative projects and developing new career strategies for Cumbria. As a result of the Skills Investment Plan; a Stem Lab, Husbandry and the Edge Project had been introduced.


Progress Against Public Sector Targets

The Board looked at Government targets and the Councils progress against these targets. Previous to April 2017 the Council would recruit on average 50 apprentices per year. In the year April 2017 to March 2018, the Council recruited 210 apprentices against a target of 250.


The Board also discussed the year 2 plan. It was advised that 70 vacancies had already been advertised for September and received 311 applications. A further 50 internal apprenticeships were to be recruited to for a September start.


An Inclusive Approach

The County Council had an inclusive approach which included a guaranteed interview scheme and offered pre-interview support for Care Leavers and those with an EHCP. In the current year, the Council had received 5 Care Leaver and 8 children with an EHCP applications.


The Council intended to target areas in Cumbria of the greatest need. A traineeship programme would be rolled out in Copeland and plans were in place  ...  view the full minutes text for item 6.



To receive an update from the Cabinet Portfolio Holder for Children’s Services and the Cabinet Portfolio Holder for Schools and Learning.

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Members received a verbal update from the Cabinet Member for Children’s Services and the Cabinet Member for Schools and Learning.


The Cabinet Member for Children’s Services advised on a recent visit to the new edge of care home in Carlisle. It was explained that the home would be ready to take residents in the coming weeks.


An update was given on Foster Carer recruitment. The Cabinet Member advised that the drive was going well and the Council had received a number of queries from potential new carers. A number of tea party’s had taken place across the County and had been a great opportunity for carers to meet others and celebrate their achievements.


It was advised that work was being undertaken with District Councils to reinforce the role of being a Corporate Parent. Further work would also be carried out to promote the role to Parish Councils through CALC (Cumbria Association of Local Councils).


The Cabinet Member for Schools and Learning provided an update on the Alternative Provision, it was advised that the item would be discussed at an upcoming Cabinet meeting and the Schools Forum.




To receive an update from the Executive Director – People (Deputy Chief Executive).



The Board received a verbal update from the Executive Director – People (Deputy Chief Executive) which discussed:-


·         The upcoming SEND inspection

·         The Extended Leadership Team restructure

·         The Council Plan and Council Plan Delivery Plan

·         Pupil Premium




To consider a report from the Executive Director – Corporate, Customer and Community Services.


The report informs members of new and updated items of significance to the Board (including relevant aspects of the Council’s Forward Plan of Key Decisions).



Consideration was given to a report from the Executive Director – Corporate, Customer and Community Services which briefed the Board on activity since the previous Board meeting. The report also presented the proposed work programme and the forward plan of Cabinet decisions relevant to children and young people.



Date: 14 September 2018

Time: 10:30am

Venue: County Offices, Kendal



The next meeting of the Board would be held on 14 September 2018 at County Offices, Kendal.